Poikkitieteellisyys arvoonsa!

[Straw Man]

Lähinnä samat trollit, jotka kiertää kommentoimassa Sks:ää, Taminoa, CP:tä ja RC:tä.

No justiinsa. Ja huom. sama sakki haukkuu WUWT:tä epätieteellisyydestä.

Tämmöisen löysin netin syövereistä :

http://climategate.nl/wp-content/upload ... nAndel.pdf

Siellä käsitellään mm. Ferenc Miskolczin teoriaa ( ja paljon muutakin ).

Pari poimintaa edellämainitusta :

Trenberth: Window radiation = 40 W/m^2. Satellite measurement: 66
W/m^2. Prof.Trenberth wrote us that he knows this. But he kept his 40
W/m^2 disregarding measurements.

Trenberth: Relative humidity is constant everywhere. Satellite
measurement: Humidity is decreasing. Prof.Trenberth wrote me that he
thinks it is increasing and advises me to read the IPCC reports.

Eli satelliittimittaukset on ihan OK, jos ne näyttävät "sopivia" tuloksia, muuten ei.

[Lauri Heimonen]

Siitä sitten kaivamaan lähdettä, jos todella haluat tukea väitteillesi, toivotan onnea!

Jos olet viittaamaani Beck'in linkkiin http://www.biomind.de/realCO2/ perehtynyt, olisit voinut huomata mm. tämän linkin http://www.biomind.de/nogreenhouse/date ... sNov06.pdf :

Ernst-Georg Beck,
Merian-Schule Freiburg — 2006
(This article is a very condensed version of a short paper received from E-G Beck, a German biologist. A fully referenced, footnoted paper is in preparation and available to interested readers in the near future. Only the major conclusions are presented here — Editor).

Short summary on the knowledge about the CO2 air gas analysis (2006)

In the IPCC's Climate Change 2001: Working Group I: The Scientific Basis, the following statement is made in chapter 3: "The Carbon Cycle…":3.1: "

"The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has risen from close to 280 parts per million (ppm) in 1800, at first slowly and then progressively faster to a value of 367 ppm in 1999, echoing the increasing pace of global agricultural and industrial development. This is known from numerous, well-replicated measurements of the composition of air bubbles trapped in Antarctic ice. Atmospheric CO2 concentrations have been measured directly with high precision since 1957; these measurements agree with ice-core measurements, and show a continuation of the increasing trend up to the present."

However a thorough review of the existing literature (175 in this study) revealed 90,000 accurate historical measurements of atmospheric CO2 concentration by chemical methods from 1812 to
1957 with errors below 3%.Accurate measurements were done, among others, by de Saussure (1826), Pettenkofer/v.Gilm (1857), Schulze (1864/71), Farsky (1874), Uffelmann (1886), Letts und Blake (1897), Krogh and Haldane (1904), Benedict (1912), Lundegardh (1920), van Slyke (1929), Dürst and Kreutz (1934/1940), Misra (1942) or Scholander (1946) with measuring instruments through which from 1857 (Pettenkofer) an accuracy of +/-0.0006 Vol% to under +/-0.0003 Vol% =~3 ppm (Lundegardh 1926) was achieved. They show precise seasonal and some diurnal variation.

Results of the literature review of this study

To reconstruct historic fluctuation of carbon dioxide, 137 yearly averages from 175 technical papers from 1812 to 1961 were used (the chemical technique for CO2 atmosphere measurement ceased in
1961).

Nearly all the selected data were obtained in rural areas or on the periphery of towns under comparable conditions, with a measuring height of approximately 2 m above ground and without large industrial contamination. Evaluation of the chemical methods revealed a systematic error ranging from a maximum of 3%, down to 1% in the best cases, by Henrik Lundegard (1920), a pioneer of plant physiology and ecology. Eleven principal measuring techniques (including gravimetric, titrimetric, volumetric and manometric) had been used from 1812 to modern times, from which the so-called Pettenkofer method (titrimetric) was developed, as it was easy, fast and well understood and became the optimised standard from 1857 for 100 years.

The available data used in this study can be researched in several comprehensive bibliographies (see Table 1).

It can be shown that from 1800 to 1961, more than 320 technical papers were published on the subject of air gas analysis containing verified data on atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

Callendar, Keeling and the IPCC did not evaluate these chemical methods despite being the standard in analytical chemistry, rejecting the data as faulty and highly inaccurate. However from 1857, the Pettenkofer process was used universally as a standard and was accurate enough to develop all the modern knowledge of medicine, biology and physiology (photosynthesis, respiration end energy metabolism) taught today worldwide.

[BorisW]

Ruotsalainen Stig Fonselius (Tuklholman Yliopiston meteorologian laitokselta ja Folke Koroleff Merentutkimukslaitokselta tekivät CO2 mittauksia eri puolilla Fennoskandiaa. Kahdessa 1955 ja 1956 julkaisussa (Tellus) PDF tieodstot löytyvät netistä. Ensimäisessä tekstissä on taulukoitu mittaustuloksia:
Microdetermination of CO2 in the Air, with Current Data for Scandinavia http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1955.tb01160.x/asset/j.2153-3490.1955.tb01160.x.pdf?v=1&t=gkd1em1i&s=b895cab553f0240fcac92230a485dda00ac36dba

ja toisessa tutkimuksessa pohditaann Guy Callendarin tulkintoja:
Carbon Dioxide Variations in the Atmosphere [url]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01208.x/asset/j.2153-
3490.1956.tb01208.x.pdf?v=1&t=gke3m70o&s=3b2f1d70f09abde7c3604810a63a738f8c08a556[/url]

[Lorentz3]

Ruotsalainen Stig Fonselius (Tuklholman Yliopiston meteorologian laitokselta ja Folke Koroleff Merentutkimukslaitokselta tekivät CO2 mittauksia eri puolilla Fennoskandiaa. Kahdessa 1955 ja 1956 julkaisussa (Tellus) PDF tieodstot löytyvät netistä. Ensimäisessä tekstissä on taulukoitu mittaustuloksia:
Microdetermination of CO2 in the Air, with Current Data for Scandinavia http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1955.tb01160.x/asset/j.2153-3490.1955.tb01160.x.pdf?v=1&t=gkd1em1i&s=b895cab553f0240fcac92230a485dda00ac36dba

ja toisessa tutkimuksessa pohditaann Guy Callendarin tulkintoja:
Carbon Dioxide Variations in the Atmosphere [url]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01208.x/asset/j.2153-
3490.1956.tb01208.x.pdf?v=1&t=gke3m70o&s=3b2f1d70f09abde7c3604810a63a738f8c08a556[/url]

Linkeissä on jotakin vikaa..

[BorisW]

Ruotsalainen Stig Fonselius (Tuklholman Yliopiston meteorologian laitokselta ja Folke Koroleff Merentutkimukslaitokselta tekivät CO2 mittauksia eri puolilla Fennoskandiaa. Kahdessa 1955 ja 1956 julkaisussa (Tellus) PDF tieodstot löytyvät netistä. Ensimäisessä tekstissä on taulukoitu mittaustuloksia:
Microdetermination of CO2 in the Air, with Current Data for Scandinavia http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1955.tb01160.x/asset/j.2153-3490.1955.tb01160.x.pdf?v=1&t=gkd1em1i&s=b895cab553f0240fcac92230a485dda00ac36dba

ja toisessa tutkimuksessa pohditaann Guy Callendarin tulkintoja:
Carbon Dioxide Variations in the Atmosphere [url]http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/store/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01208.x/asset/j.2153-
3490.1956.tb01208.x.pdf?v=1&t=gke3m70o&s=3b2f1d70f09abde7c3604810a63a738f8c08a556[/url]

Linkeissä on jotakin vikaa..

Olet oikeassa. Laitoin linkit tarkistamatta toimivatko Firefox'in <download> muodossa - eivät toimi vaan ovat ilmeisesti Willey'n ftp sivuston linkki johon ei ulkopuoliset pääse. Jutut löytyvät suoraan Wiley'n Tellus sivustolta, josta löytyy paljon muitakin mielenkiintoisia ilmastoa koskettavia juttuja puolen vusoisada takaa.

Oikeat tarkistetut linkit:
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1955.tb01160.x/pdf ja
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.2153-3490.1956.tb01208.x/pdf